Bungie's Making Headlines for All the Wrong Reasons Yet Again

Stupid question but, wasn't that guy fired over a year ago?

Good lord, how hard is it for people not to be creepy?

It's gonna be pretty funny if most of these Sony live service titles tank. Although I don't expect anything on the level of Concord.

“Marathon is so cooked. Not just this [inappropriate behaviour story] but just everything I’ve heard.”

Jeez, I'm not sure how many more hits Bungie can take.

Holy crap, Sony cannot catch a break this year. If it weren't for Astro Bot and Helldivers 2, I'd have thought they'd be sunk after this year.

@get2sammyb I see, thanks. I thought that in March we had info that the other director had been working on the game for 9 months, hence why I thought he had left more than 1 year ago.

@PegasusActual93 No, over-budgeted AAA single-player games are less viable. Sony has a budgeting issue with its big games. If they can control costs, they'll be fine.

Anyway, if Sony wants a Genshin or Fortnite-level success, it needs to start monetizing their games like those. In what world is a $40 live service title, even one that isn't a total shipwreck, going to be as lucrative as the giants of that model?

Sony is not an endless pit of money, and these games are expensive. They can't afford too many abject flops before they shift focus (actually, they already have, and I expect multiple live service titles failing in a row will motivate them to lean even further away from that push).

It's also worth mentioning that as more successful live service titles release, the less viable that model will be over time. Single player game fans tend to play what they want and move on to new games, but people deeply invested in live service titles have a limited amount of time to play games and so will stick with a few core games that are already well-established. I'm not saying new ones can't succeed (Helldivers 2 illustrated this well), but it's going to be tougher and tougher to compete with established titles that have a captive audience.

I just want this live service nightmare to be over with...

Sony bought a nameplate. Bungie has been a hollowed out shell for years. The talent it once had have long since departed.

I think the game not released yet is a good sign the game isn't cooked. They have time to right the ship.

Ouch. Old Jimbo left Sony with a 3.6 billion ticking bomb. This isn't looking good for Sony.

@PegasusActual93 One live service game making money doesn't mean the money loss from those nine live service games are magically gone lol. That's not how business works.

Bungie needs to move away from MMO games and just make Halo clones.

The trailer for this was gorgeous, but was just a trailer. Wasn't this originally an extraction shooter, but then changed to a hero shooter? Haven't followed too closely. It's all a bit concerning really, they are 'lucky' xbox dropped the ball too or Playstation could have been in trouble this gen.

@Sequel it's still extraction. Don't know where you heard hero shooter from

"If anyone ever felt that way about their interaction with me, I am truly sorry."

999 times out of 1,000? A non-apology like this is a sure sign of guilt.

@SlipperyFish it went from an extraction shooter with the ability to build and customize characters, to a fixed hero shooter system, so while it's still an extraction shooter, it's been blended to be a hero-extraction-shooter.

Id love to see playstation give GTA some competition again with its own open world crime game like the getaway but more ambitious graphically and gameplay, story etc

@Ralizah
As games get more graphically and mechanically demanding budgets are going to balloon no matter how many corners you cut. This isn't a budgeting issue so much as a demand issue.

Hmm... I need to see the contents of the allegations before I condemn the man. Most game devs (that I know of) are pretty nerdy with limited exposure to the opposite gender. The ruling narrative in our society for men (which is pretty unfortunate) is "be successful and women will like you". I've known enough genuine guys who have approached girls and been treated like they were about to murder them.

@Mortal well that sucks.

@z0d15g0d I don't think you should hit on your colleagues, though.
I understand social awkwardness very well (hey, that's me), but I still am very aware of workplace boundaries

I feel sorry for this company. I feel like they genuinely want to make marathon and destiny be the best they can be but stuff like this keeps happening.

@PegasusActual93 I get it you're talking about "subsidized" but that's not how business or in this case live service games works.

This is like saying Helldivers 2 generate $480 million revenue from 12 million copies sold. But all those money + whatever profits generated from people buying battle pass / mtx will be used to clean up Concord ass and all the cancelled live service games.

Arrowhead will be angry af because they made Helldivers 2 not to clean up other studios mess. And they also need the money for their future projects, maintain Helldivers 2 server, as well making new contents.

This is why Sony still layoff 900+ employee after they cancelled those live service games. Multiple big loss can't be covered up by just one game success.

@LadyCharlie Yup. The evasive lack of committal this signifies has a very 'I'm sorry you're upset' feel to it.

Own up to your actions, or deny them and maintain your innocence. I'd honestly respect either of those approaches far more.

I remember saying things like the live service push was a bad idea, Bungie was a bad purchase, psvr2 would fail, lack of showcases was because of a lack of games etc etc etc and some of the diehards on here called me a hater and got very upset.

Seems I was just paying attention and not hating.

How people did not see all this comming is mind-blowing to me.

None of this is the PlayStation we love

Damn... buying Bungie for $3.6 Billion might prove one of the biggest mispurchases in gaming history.

Sony must feel like that guy who funded Rapsittie Street Kids.